This is my first podcast episode, and it is with none other than David Shapiro.

David Shapiro discusses AI on YouTube in a way that sets him apart from other creators. He neither predicts doom nor portrays a utopia. Instead, he explores the various potential futures and presents solutions. His approach enables people to not only follow along but also participate actively in these solutions.

We discussed the following topics:

00:00 - Introduction
03:04 - AI and LLM’s What are they
04:06 - Protecting Data as a business
08:16 - AGI 18 Months Away?
13:44 - Moloch, can’t stop the race towards the cliff
16:29 - What is it Optimized for?
19:44 - Dangers of the Apple VR Headset
25:30 - AI Doomerism (Like Eliezoor)
29:21 - Will Normal Humans Benefit From AI?
33:04 - Negative Externalities of AI (Who Pays?)
38:41 - Using AI Productively
42:33 - What does a post AGI world look like?
42:44 - GATO Layers
49:44 - RLHF vs RLHE
55:03 - GATO Roadmap
01:03:55 - Evil AI’s vs Good AI’s
01:08:09 - Biological Immortality
01:14:28 - Fusion, virtually free energy
01:17:37 - GATO Traditions