April 9, 2018

http://csnetwork.eu/podcast/?name=2019-01-08_joscha_bach.mp3
https://web.archive.org/web/20210315214051/http://csnetwork.eu/podcast/download.php?filename=2019-01-08_joscha_bach.mp3

https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/convergent-science/interview-with-joscha-bach-PvORlBynGdL/