François Chollet: Keras, Deep Learning, and the Progress of AI | Artificial Intelligence Podcast

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François Chollet is the creator of Keras, which is an open source deep learning library that is designed to enable fast, user-friendly experimentation with deep neural networks. It serves as an interface to several deep learning libraries, most popular of which is TensorFlow, and it was integrated into TensorFlow main codebase a while back. Aside from creating an exceptionally useful and popular library, François is also a world-class AI researcher and software engineer at Google, and is definitely an outspoken, if not controversial, personality in the AI world, especially in the realm of ideas around the future of artificial intelligence. This conversation is part of the Artificial Intelligence podcast.

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EPISODE LINKS:
François twitter: https://twitter.com/fchollet
François web: https://fchollet.com/

OUTLINE:
0:00 – Introduction
1:14 – Self-improving AGI
7:51 – What is intelligence?
15:23 – Science progress
26:57 – Fear of existential threats of AI
28:11 – Surprised by deep learning
30:38 – Keras and TensorFlow 2.0
42:28 – Software engineering on a large team
46:23 – Future of TensorFlow and Keras
47:53 – Current limits of deep learning
58:05 – Program synthesis
1:00:36 – Data and hand-crafting of architectures
1:08:37 – Concerns about short-term threats in AI
1:24:21 – Concerns about long-term existential threats from AI
1:29:11 – Feeling about creating AGI
1:33:49 – Does human-level intelligence need a body?
1:34:19 – Good test for intelligence
1:50:30 – AI winter

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Lex Fridman says:

I really enjoyed this conversation with François. Here's the outline:
0:00 – Introduction
1:14 – Self-improving AGI
7:51 – What is intelligence?
15:23 – Science progress
26:57 – Fear of existential threats of AI
28:11 – Surprised by deep learning
30:38 – Keras and TensorFlow 2.0
42:28 – Software engineering on a large team
46:23 – Future of TensorFlow and Keras
47:53 – Current limits of deep learning
58:05 – Program synthesis
1:00:36 – Data and hand-crafting of architectures
1:08:37 – Concerns about short-term threats in AI
1:24:21 – Concerns about long-term existential threats from AI
1:29:11 – Feeling about creating AGI
1:33:49 – Does human-level intelligence need a body?
1:34:19 – Good test for intelligence
1:50:30 – AI winter

4lly0ur8as3 says:

WOW this guy systemic view is beyond anything i've heard

Louis Beaumont says:

To avoid an AI winter we need people in this field to have Skin in the Game

Johannes says:

He is a great developer, not so much his social skills…

yeeboy217 says:

Incredible work interviewing Lex … you seem to ask just the right questions at the right moments to keep the guest going , and pull out the highest value information and the most improtant points out of the guest …. really appreciate these interviews and the quality and care you put into the interviews and into every single question and all the follow up questions …. awesome rhythm with the guest, and highly enjoyable podcast for neophytes in these fields to advanced people in this field … keep up the awesome work man thanks so much !! -Rafif

dont know says:

This is great! Thanks for the content.

scott logan says:

DL is not AI. DL is trial and error sped up to astronomical proportions or MIPS +

Jeffrey Holmes says:

Another great interview! I really like the idea of allowing users to see and customize the algorithms used by companies such as Google and Facebook (around 1:17:00). "Open algorithms!"

Alexander Hristov says:

BEST
PODCAST
EVER

Aaron L says:

Technology grows exponentially, but the speed to mine a "Bitcoin" is logarithmic.

A Avenue 23504 says:

This channel is so cool. Would love an interview with Wes Mckinney on the future of pandas.

donny lincoln says:

The AntiChrist Movement

Ralph Dratman says:

Chollet is a fascinating thinker. Excellent!

Crimson Spork says:

I was exactly thinking of francois after you had lecun.

Douglas Houston says:

He has a sophisticated view of the issue, but even if there are many many bottlenecks to improving any complex system (such as science), one obvious bottleneck is the limitations of the human brain. So an AI agent that superseded human intelligence would remove at least that particular bottleneck – thus rendering humans obsolete all the same.

Aleksey Malyshev says:

This is the best speaker on that channel so far. I really liked how articulate François is in explaining his point of view. I could not agree more with almost everything he was talking about.

Craig Faas says:

Hi Lex, I appreciate how you challenge those you interview. This is real journalism that you are doing. Thank you.

Abel Geressu says:

Lex Friddman , Would you invite Ben Goertzel and le him defend Francois Chollet argument?

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